Posted by: edhensley | December 21, 2014

Contradictions in the Christmas Stories

Matthew 1

The Genealogy of Jesus

1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:

2Abraham was the father of Isaac,

16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.

The Birth of Jesus Christ

18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23″The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” —which means, “God with us.”

24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Matthew 2

The Visit of the Magi

1After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

3When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. 5″In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:

6″ ‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,

are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;

for out of you will come a ruler

who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.’”

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”

9After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. 12And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

The Escape to Egypt

13When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.” 14So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

16When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, andhe gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. 17Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:

18″A voice is heard in Ramah,

weeping and great mourning,

Rachel weeping for her children

and refusing to be comforted,

because they are no more.”

The Return to Nazareth

19After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt 20and said, “Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child’s life are dead.”

21So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. 22Butwhen he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, 23and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: “He will be called a Nazarene.”

Luke 2

The Birth of Jesus

1In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2(This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3And everyone went to his own town to register.

4So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

The Shepherds and the Angels

8And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. 11Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. 12This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

13Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14″Glory to God in the highest,

and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.”

15When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

16So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, 18and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.

Jesus Presented in the Temple

21On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.

22When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord 23(as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”), 24and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”

25Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required, 28Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying:

29″Sovereign Lord, as you have promised,

you now dismiss[d] your servant in peace.

30For my eyes have seen your salvation,

31which you have prepared in the sight of all people,

32a light for revelation to the Gentiles

and for glory to your people Israel.”

33The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him. 34Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, 35so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.”

36There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, 37and then was a widow until she was eighty-four.[e] She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. 38Coming up to them at that very moment, she gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem.

39When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth. 40And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.

Luke 3

23Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,24 the son of Heli, the son of Matthat,


This is a repeat of an earlier post. If these contradictions were in the Koran concerning the birth of Mohammad, no Christian would accept the pathetic excuses offered by Christian apologists.



These two stories contain many internal contradictions (they conflict with each other) and external contradictions (they conflict with know facts of history). I will demonstrate these contradictions to my Christian friends in the hope that they will become enlightened this holiday season.

As Dr. Bart Ehrman notes in his books, most Christians do not believe in a gospel, but rather they believe in a “super gospel.”  The Christmas story is an example of a story from a “super gospel.”  There is no gospel in the New Testament where both wise men and shepherds visit Jesus. The wise men visit in Matthew and the shepherds visit in Luke. By combining these two separate stories, Christians create a “super story.”  The authors of Matthew and Luke probably never imagined that their two books would be placed next to each other (and Mark and John) in a single collection of books. Each author took existing legends of Jesus and adapted the legends for their particular agendas.


As previously noted (, the genealogies of Jesus are completely different. In Matthew, Jacob is the father of Joseph, but in Luke, Heli is the father of Joseph. The lists from David to Joseph are completely different.

Jesus is not Immanuel

Matthew 1:22 says the parents will name the baby Immanuel in fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14. That verse, however is not a messianic prophecy but mentions a baby as a sign for Ahaz. Furthermore the Hebrew Masoretic text and most translations of the bible indicate that the virgin whill call the baby Immanuel. Mary does not do that, and nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus ever called Immanuel.  Please see the followig post for more information on that topic:

Herod (reign ended 4 BC) and Quirinius (reign started 6 AD) never reigned at the same time

Matthew claims Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod. Luke claims Jesus was born while Quirinius was governor of Assyria. However, Herod died 10 years before Quirinius became governor. Either Matthew or Luke is wrong on this issue, or they are both wrong. Only one the is certain: the Bible contains an error regarding the year Jesus was born.

Massacre of the Innocents not recorded in history

Matthew claims Herod killed all boys near Bethlehem who were 2 or under. No other gospel makes this claim. There is no evidence outside the Bible of any atrocity like this. Historians recorded many things about Herod. We know he was born around 74 BC, that he died in 4 BC, and that he expanded the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem (destroyed in 70 AD but 4 walls, including the famous wailing wall, exit today). It is recorded that he improved water sources, built water supplies, built Massada and Herodium, leased copper mines, killed his wife and two sons, and did much else. The massacre of the innocents is missing from any historical record. There are many amazing stories in the bible that are not recorded in historical records.

The senseless census is not recorded in history

There is a historical census recorded during the time of Quirinius.  However, that census and no other Roman census ever required anyone to return to their ancestral homes. If you think about it, why would anyone care where your ancestors lived 1000 years ago?

Luke has no Trip to Egypt, Matthew has no trip to Jerusalem

In Matthew, Jesus is born in Bethlehem, they flee immediately to Egypt, and upon their return from Egypt they travel directly to Nazareth to avoid the son of Herod.

In Luke, Mary and Joseph start in Nazareth, travel to Bethlehem for a census, go to Jerusalem, and then return to their home town of Nazareth.

Many apologists try to create a super story in which they combine the travel of the two stories above into one journey. This is impossible. Luke specifically mentions circumcision on the eighth day and the required purification time. This refers to Leviticus 12, which states when a boy is born the mother is unclean for 7 days, the foreskin is removed on the 8th day, and she must not touch holy objects for 33 days (if Jesus were a girl, Mary would be unclean for 14 days and could not touch holy objects for 66 days).  Luke 39 notes that when this 33 day period was complete they returned to Galilee.  A trip to Egypt is not mentioned at all!



  1. It was known by the Early Christians such as the Early Fathers that not all the stories in the gospels were factual and that various ones were fictional stories to convey theological truths. I understand the gospels are written in the biography narrative form which was typical of the time. As a Christian what I find odd is that because it had been assumed that Jesus was soon to come in glory etc no effort was made to gather all the facts about his life until so late.
    I would have expected God as Jesus to have made a stronger impression on the records. In particular I am surprised the highly educated apostle Paul did not get or use more of the extraordinary facts he would have heard directly from Peter and James. They surely would have told Paul that Jesus was born of a virgin for example. Yet in the earliest recorded mention of the birth of Jesus in Galatians Paul merely says he was born of a woman. There is also the misquotation in Luke about this from a misleading Septuagent translation. I concede that I would expect Jesus to have made such an impression that they would have remembered and passed on some more consistent facts about his life and given this enough importance to pass on. They should not have needed to patch together with such fictional efforts and even erroneous prophetic assumptions, to fill in an account of Gods life on Earth.
    In some respects it is hard to see divine providence at work in the development and formulation if the Gospels when you get to know about the facts about them.. So much was left up top the work of the Holy Spirit. That was before the information age. many could not even read or write. Sometimes tracing all the evidence for and against is like a roller coaster ride.
    The adventure of being both a skeptic, a free thinker, and a believer based on all the evidence can be both thrilling and disturbing. One miracle is that the evidence for Jesus and his resurrection remains tenable and plausible even apart from ones own affirming supernatural experiences which impact on the natural experientially.

    • I came across the same disturbing evidence you talk about. We disagree on your last sentence. There is nothing wrong with admitting that you (or someone else) do not really know what occurred in the Middle East 2000 years ago. I do not think the creator of the universe would judge people for eternity (whatever you think of heaven, hell, annihilation, etc) based upon accepting stories based upon or surrounded by “disturbing” evidence.

      • I am not aware of the argument that eternal destruction results from being a bad historian. You seem to make an oversimplification of the Christian view that to persistently and deliberately reject or avoid truths about reality /God/ themselves can have permanent consequences for people beyond our current time space framework. This world view also contains the belief in an absolute and ultimate justice. This belief, in principal, is one deterrent against practicing moral evils which both atheists and Christians abhor. But this strong deterrent cannot be provided by atheism. With atheism there is no objective morality as such and no absolute justice as such. I expect a world saturated with atheism would be even worse than one saturated with theism. Since good natured humanists arise in both atheism and theism I have no reason to assume there would be more sincere moral humanists under atheism. I expect there would be in general less incentive to be sincere moral humanists under atheism. Of course atheism and theism are such broad terms that I can expect the best and worst to arise in societies saturated with either. I just see no reasons to assume that there would be less moral evil in such an atheistic society. I find efforts to present statistical evidence to the contrary is to date unconvincing or poorly presented. Like water which is in itself good for you can become poisonous so too can theism. But I cannot see why theism in principal is good for you. Humanism yes but atheism certainly has no monopoly on humanism. Jesus was deeply humanist.

      • It is a tenet of orthodox Christianity that those who do not believe 1) in the trinity (that Jesus is god, Jesus is the son of god the father, and the holy spirit is also god) and that 2) Jesus died as a sacrifice for the sins of humanity and 3) that he rose from the grave and ascended to heaven will go to a place called hell (in English) where they will be tortured by burning for all eternity. There are millions of Christians who believe that today, and there are millions of Christians who have believed that since 325 CE (and some who believed that before 325 CE). I can point to many Christian websites and churches that support my previous sentences. So if I do not accept that some Palestinian rose from the grave 2000 years ago, then the creator of the universe will torture me forever in hell. Sorry Paul, but many Christians have believed that for centuries even if some have different beliefs today.

        Doubting the stories in the bible, including the gospels, does not make one a bad historian. For example, Jesus dies in Matthew 27:50. Here is the text of Matthew 27:51-53. “51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people.” This story of the Jerusalem zombies is not found in Mark, Luke, and John. There is no story about this in any ancient literature. Since you think that Jesus’ death was historical please answer the following questions and provide references. After the zombies roamed the streets of Jerusalem, did those zombies with living spouses return to their spouses and have more children with them? Did the zombies live another life and then die a second time, or did they crawl back into their graves, ascend to heaven, or simply disappear after merely walking around Jerusalem? Did two zombies who were married to each other get to return to their homes, re-occupy their former property and have more children?

        A good historian could easily claim that Matthew 27:51-53 is not historical and probably did not happen. There are no historians that claim there is any evidence of the events in Matthew 27:51-53. Yet, Jesus dies in Matthew 27:50. You must admit that a good historian could reject the historicity of all of Matthew 27 on the basis of verses 51-53 alone (and there are other problems with Matthew 27).

        I have no more desire to argue with you about atheism not providing a deterrent to immorality. The evidence does not support that, and we keep saying the same thing over and over.

      • OK! Ed we need not consider further atheisms deterrent to moral evil. We simply disagree over the evidence about this matter. I am interested in our dialogue because you are so informed and have put a lot of taught into your position and the evidence for it. With you I can put my own position to the test or adjust it according to your evidence of need be. regarding the parables and fictional parts of the gospels I am aware of them. They are a typical 1st C. way of presenting a biography and theological views to promote them.
        Though I admit that to 21st century tastes and expectations that can be disappointing. To date I find the evidence for the resurrection and other critical Christian beliefs stand up surprisingly well though I do feel at times that my position is being eroded. That is OK as I am totally committed to follow the evidence wherever it leads even if it means loosing the wonderful hope and preciousness that the Christian faith affords to each person and life itself. I can no longer read the gospels with the same factual assumptions I used to but for me to abandon the faith and other evidence would mean also rejecting my own direct experience of naturally inexplicable phenomena resulting from prayer. Putting such experiences down to random chance co incidences seems absurd. I know prayer statistics on healing in general do not hold up well to scrutiny but I need not expect them to.
        Yes it seems that your area of the US has a bad dose of fundamentalism. We have missionaries here in Germany from the South and the Bible Belt.
        Ed regarding hell: Descriptions of it are figurative. But the basic idea that those who are privileged to know reality – God being reality, but who persistently opt for their own autonomy instead, having lasting consequences, seems reasonable to me. Even the possibility that this is true should alert us.
        May I ask do you accept that there is a possible world in which a maximally great being exists? Is you world view naturalism?

      • May I ask do you accept that there is a possible world in which a maximally great being exists?

        I suppose that anything is possible, but I do not think such as thing is probable. “Maximally great” is not well defined. If you mean all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-good, then I think this concept is not possible. I will give just one philosophical refutation. If god is all-knowing, then he knows the future. This means god does not have the power to change the future, because if god could change the future then god did not truly know the future.

        Is you world view naturalism?

        I accept methodological naturalism, since that is how we conduct scientific experiments and research. I also accept philosophical naturalism in that I do not believe in forces or powers beyond nature. We may not understand a force or power, but that does not mean it is supernatural. I do not believe in ghosts, reading the future, remote viewing, as well as supernatural gods. I am open to the possibility of such phenomena if evidence is provided. For example, if someone can demonstrate they have the power of mind reading, then I would accept that they can read minds. However, their power may be a natural power we do not yet understand, not a supernatural power.

        You brushed away my questions about the historicity of dead people rising out of the graves and walking in Jerusalem in Matthew 27, the same book which describes the death of Jesus. I do not believe that there is any evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, despite your claims that it and other critical Christian beliefs stand up surprisingly well.

        Regarding your personal experiences, I can not address them because they did not happen to me. Catholics in the USA scoff at the fundamentalists Christians who claim miracles in revivals and on TV. The fundamentalists in the USA scoff at the Catholics who believe in the alleged miracles at Lourdes, Farima, and Guadalupe. It is easy to be skeptical of the beliefs of others. It is difficult to be skeptical of yourself or someone close to you.

      • Just back from Snowboarding in the Alps! Excuse me for passing over your point about that gospel account of souls awakening from thombs in Jesusalem when Jesus rose from the dead. I do not assume that to be literal. I gather the “Good News is/was couched in the typical narrative form of the day. They did not have the same approach to historical factual accuracy as we do today. The basic Christian truths and facts are couched in myths and allusians to known myths etc. I admire your mind and your dedication to testing or analysing. I expect though that even you have overiding presemptions as you are wedded to a natuiralism etc. I think you too have comittment bias despite wanting to be a free and sincere as possible.It does surprise me that even for illiterate apostles and the first century media, that we know relatively little factual about the life of Jesus, a man who is or was God. They had assumed he was returning sooner and so there was little original provision for an ongoing movement. A lot depended on the on going phenomonan of Pentecost. I do think that the Resurrection and Pentecost stand up surprisingly well to historical scrutiny. It is not easy to account for the meteoric rise of this “love your enemies” religion otherwise.
        But I do my very best to avoid comittment bias too like you do. But I do permit myself more range of evidence than you. I gather you are a scientific determinist. I am not. To date I find scientific determinism incoherent.

      • The basic Christian truths and facts are couched in myths and allusians to known myths etc

        The bible (Matt 27) never says this story is literal or myth. You decide on your own it is myth. How is that different from fundamentalist Christians deciding it is literal? What if someone decides that the virgin birth was just used as an allegory and not to be taken literal? What if another decides the resurrection was just an allegory to spiritual resurrection? Nowhere in the bible does it state “this is literal” and “this is allegory” (other than a few stories that are clearly parables, dreams, visions, etc).

        Once again you make assertions that are not true.

        I do think that the Resurrection and Pentecost stand up surprisingly well to historical scrutiny.

        I suggest you read The Evolution Of God by Robert Wright.

      • Sounds like a very interesting book. I have heard similar arguments by Richard carrier etc. If you start out with certain assumptions you tend to come to certain conclusions as we all do. I find the idea that the spectacular phenomonen of Christianity arose from a merely made up story to be so very improbable historically not to mention otherwise. Regarding that point: I see no reason why every passage in the gospel needs to be determined as definitely literal or not. Some things are clearly theological via myth other parts are historical and make most sense when retranslated back into Aramaic type speech. Some few key parts are factual because there is no Christian faith without them and their intended factuality is obvious. But there are also passages which are open to debate so to speak and need not be a critical issue either way though some fundamentalists may think so. Regarding most Christians Ok better said most educated Christians. perhaps most Christians are not so educated and so fail to make these distinctions. That is OK. Point taken though.

      • I started with the presupposition that the doctrines of Christianity were true and that the 66-book protestant bible was the literal word of God. I came to realize that Christianity is just like Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, Norse mythology, Hinduism, etc in that it was simply created by ignorant men. The history of the Christian church proves that. I do not know why you keep asserting that I start with naturalistic presuppositions. I started with Christianity as my presuppositions.

        Robert Wright’s book The Evolution Of God is much different from those of Richard Carrier.

      • My apologies I see your current presumption is naturalism but that was a development from Christian theism. I note that Christians (Fundamentalists) whose faith was based on a simplistic notion of the bible can easily swing away from Christianity when educated about the way the bible developed.
        A foundation for their faith can easily be shattered. As a Christian, ( a Catholic) my faith always submits to truth and Jesus commands me to love God with all my mind. That means for me it is good to be a skeptic free thinker as a Christian. faith is evidence based as I accept a broader range of evidence than you do. That book does sound like a good read esp. ifit gives me an alternative to carrier. With R. carrier I was astonished at how such an intelligent man could on occasion abandon logic because of the world view he is wedded to. He actually spoke about no knowing the laws that operate when there i was nothing before the universe began. Some go to such irrational lengths just to avoid the hypothesis of theism. I take note of that book.

  2. The bible fact or fiction. Free reading at also satans counterfeit christianity. December the 25th is not a commanded day of observance. Jesus was not born on this day and never observed His birthday. The person writing this blog totally refuses to accept scholarly writings showing evidence proving his anti God bent wrong. Bible prophecy has been fulfilled with 100% accuracy and is still being fulfilled. Revelation 12:9 the devil deceives the world. I urge any one reading this and other to consider a few questions. One why do christians disobey the 4th commandment? Jesus said many will worship me in vain rejecting the commandment for their tradition. Answer rev 12:9 this is a fulfilled prophecy. Two why do they say the law was nailed to the cross but condemn murder homosexuality adultery stealing and preach you must tithe. Answer rev 12:9 also prophecy fulfilled where paul tells us lawlessness will abound in last days. Selfishness violence greed and lusting will be rife as it is. 3 why do many mock God and his word. As the bible prophecies This blog is just one of many proving this prophecy. Answer rev 12:9 now ask your self why would any one want to destroy faith in God who tells us not to murder steal commit adultery and also tells us to love our enemy do good to those who mistreat you and pray for them. All false gods have their origin in Satan. Who comes to steal kill and destroy. Paul tells us to prove all things. Study for your self the books story of the christian church all roads lead to rome and many other historical writings. Then research archeoligical findings proving Davids existence along with the hitites jezebel goliath the sites of sodham and gomorrah. The city of tyre became the tiny fishing village in exactly the manner prophecied. Persian greco macedonian and roman empires followed babylon as prophecied. We are currently living with terrorism drought wars insect infestations and diseases increasing as prophecized. No other book period has fulfilled prophecies with such accuracy. Dont let deceived people deceive you.

    • The person writing this blog totally refuses to accept scholarly writings showing evidence proving his anti God bent wrong.

      I accept all scholarly writings. It was the contradictions of the bible and the scholarly writings such as those by Bart Ehrman and others that convinced me that the bible is merely a book written by Bronze Age men. By the way, I am a happily married heterosexual with 4 kids who lives what most Christians would call an acceptable lifestyle. I am not “anti-god bent” but am rather “pro-truth” bent.

      Bible prophecy has been fulfilled with 100% accuracy

      There are numerous false prophecies, such as Ezekiel 29 prophesying that Egypt will be without human population for a period of 40 years. This is contradicted by history.

      The city of tyre became the tiny fishing village in exactly the manner prophecied.

      Dead wrong. Tyre is not under “vast oceans” as predicted by the prophecy. It is actually larger in land mass (a land bridge was built from the land to the Island) and and more population (117,000 in 2003) than in biblical times. It is not a “bare rock” or a place to merely “spread fishnets”. It is not covered by “ocean depths” and “vast waters”. Finally, Ezekiel 26:21 says “I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD.” You can visit Tyre today and see both some of the historical ruins and the new developments! This prophecy is clearly false, yet you somehow claim this proves the bible! I can only laugh at you total lack of intellectual integrity.

      • The bible was not written in the Bronze Age. It is a library produced over a number of ages including the Bronze Age, Iron Age and Roman Period too.
        Most Christians do not assume that the bible is all a factual narrative or all historical as in how modern history is expected to be narrated.

      • No real disagreement other than interpretation of the word “most” in your last sentence. In Europe, that sentence is true. Among Catholics that sentence is true. Even among mainstream protestant churches that sentence is true. Still millions of protestants throughout the world are fundamentalists who believe the entire bible is factual and historical. I lived 7 years in Giessen, Germany, and the Christianity there was different than it is in Kentucky, USA. But even within all the groups who do not accept the entire bible as factual and historical, there is much disagreement about which parts are factual and historical and which are not.

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