Posted by: edhensley | February 28, 2010

Saul, the Witch of Endor, and Samuel

1 Samuel 28 (New International Version)

Saul and the Witch of Endor
1 In those days the Philistines gathered their forces to fight against Israel. Achish said to David, “You must understand that you and your men will accompany me in the army.”
2 David said, “Then you will see for yourself what your servant can do.”
Achish replied, “Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life.”

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in his own town of Ramah. Saul had expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land.

4 The Philistines assembled and came and set up camp at Shunem, while Saul gathered all the Israelites and set up camp at Gilboa. 5 When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled his heart. 6 He inquired of the LORD, but the LORD did not answer him by dreams or Urim or prophets. 7 Saul then said to his attendants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her.”
“There is one in Endor,” they said.

8 So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. “Consult a spirit for me,” he said, “and bring up for me the one I name.”

9 But the woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?”

10 Saul swore to her by the LORD, “As surely as the LORD lives, you will not be punished for this.”

11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”
“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”

13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
The woman said, “I see a spirit coming up out of the ground.”

14 “What does he look like?” he asked.
“An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said.
Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

15 Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”
“I am in great distress,” Saul said. “The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do.”

16 Samuel said, “Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors—to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also hand over the army of Israel to the Philistines.”

20 Immediately Saul fell full length on the ground, filled with fear because of Samuel’s words. His strength was gone, for he had eaten nothing all that day and night.

21 When the woman came to Saul and saw that he was greatly shaken, she said, “Look, your maidservant has obeyed you. I took my life in my hands and did what you told me to do. 22 Now please listen to your servant and let me give you some food so you may eat and have the strength to go on your way.”

23 He refused and said, “I will not eat.”
But his men joined the woman in urging him, and he listened to them. He got up from the ground and sat on the couch.

24 The woman had a fattened calf at the house, which she butchered at once. She took some flour, kneaded it and baked bread without yeast. 25 Then she set it before Saul and his men, and they ate. That same night they got up and left.

I have included this passage because I was bothered by it while a Christian. I always wondered how a mere woman could conjure someone’s spirit out of heaven (since it is assumed Samuel went to heaven and not hell). Is not God in control of souls after death? If Samuel could be conjured up then, could some person today conjure up Moses or Peter?

I am not the only Christian to have questions about this passage. I found the following question and answer at

Q. In the book of 1Samuel it states the witch of Endor conjured up the prophet Samuel for King Saul. By whose power did she do this? Was it by the power of God or the devil?

The respondent lists some of the verses I did above, and then makes the following claim:

I would begin by saying that I don’t believe the vision that appeared to Saul through the Witch of Endor was really Samuel. Let me explain this statement.

There is NOTHING in this text that indicates the “vision” was NOT Samuel! Yet the entire response on this website is that the vision could not be Samuel because that would contradict other sections of the bible.

The response mentions several verses from Leviticus and Deuteronomy that basically say “don’t tolerate witchcraft.” Here is the last part of this response:

Although we are not told specifically that the witch of Endor was using the power of Satan to do her “consulting of the dead”, we are told that she was possessed with a “familiar spirit”, i.e., a demon, and by the scriptures quoted and many others, we know such things DO NOT come from God.

Whatever or whoever it was that Saul saw in his vision, it certainly was not Samuel for Samuel was dead [1Samuel 28:3]. We also know that the dead “know nothing” and have no part “in any thing under the sun”.

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun. ” (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, NIV)
Whatever or whoever it was that Saul saw in that vision, it (he) told Samuel that Israel was going to lose its battle and that Saul and his sons would be killed and Saul’s kingdom handed over to David. That is exactly what happened (see 1Samuel 31:1-6; 2Samuel 1-5). God controls all things. Perhaps He controlled the vision that Saul saw, but I think it more likely that the demon in the witch of Endor took delight in taunting Saul, the King of Israel.

According to this Christian response, if the vision were truly of Samuel, then it would contradict Ecclesiastes 9. Christians do not want to admit the bible has contradictions, even when it is obvious. So the Christian simply asserts that this vision was a demonic hallucination. However, there is nothing in the scripture to indicate that it was anything other than Samuel’s spirit. How could this passage be so consistently misleading?

Furthermore, if it were a demonic spirit as this Christian says, then how could the demon know the future? Does not only God know the future? Did God tell the demon this knowledge? The Christian respondent does not consider the further contradictions he has created by changing the entire meaning of this passage in order to eliminate a contradiction.

It would be a lot simpler and smarter if Christians would just admit that there are contradictions in the bible. Then they would not have to look like idiots trying to explain away all the nonsense.



  1. It is crazy how you take just pieces of the Bible to quote and only consider the verse you use to make a point….? When it is very important to know the whole logic and why, what the purpose of that verse was in the context it was given in…but, you don’t do that. You just take what you want and bend it to work for your points. Then yeah of course the Bible is wacked out! The Bible is a way for us to understand what God is and that real people have been through everything we have been through already, just a different time in history. Instead of computer porn they had idols and orgies. Customs and cultuires change. But, one thing that remains is LOVE, God, Holy Spirit, the church to be active partakers of the world and not just attenders of the Sunday and Wednesday service, set apart, and humble. Now when you speak of things it seems you relate those that do not set their selves apart from the worldly ideas of right and wrong…”Christians.” It seems you never actually consider those that wake up ministering by their lives that maybe there is something out there way bigger than just nothing. If the world has been here so long…then why did it take only two hundred years for America to become so powerful? But, yet our world is billions of years old. Get real. We would be living on other planets by now if this world was that old. Stop picking and choosing the parts of the Bible you want to show some conflict with and study the whole scripture about that one point, not just a verse here and a verse there.

    There are times when I wonder if this is all real, but then I feel that tug of peace pulling me in. Nothing is that horrible because from everything that has happened to me that was bad…When it was over something twice as wonderful replaced it. You know why? I trust by faith, the unseen, and that is all I need to be thirsty no more. Don’t get me wrong, I still like shopping and looking good and having all those nice things. It just isn’t what I wake up craving first thing. What I crave is to get my mind right so I can be the best person I can be for the world today and for myself.

    If we all died tomorrow and found out there was no God…oh well, at least I was a good person while I lived.

    But, I know there is a God because He lives in me everyday.

    • God is perfect, therefore is Bible should always be perfect. The universe is perfect, everything in the universe obeys the same laws perfect laws in perfect harmony.

      Is it asking too much for Gods word to man to not be perfect ? How can God require several takes to give different laws to man in the space of 3000 years and yet the universe has managed to coexist for billion years in perfect harmony ?

      The fact Ed can find troubling text is an admission that they are the creation of man. How can you criticize others when there are obviously text inserted by man for his greedy benefit. If God cannot protect his word from change, how can we be sure that any of it is authentic ?

      Im afraid Christians are under a delusion and created some thoughts that are quiet different from whats actually taught or spoken of in the Bible. By ignoring the text pointed out in this blog, you are creating a new religion in just the same way all the other Christian faiths have created their own. This is not a surprise given that Constantine directed the bishops at Niceasa to select and canonize the books that are part of the Bible.

      Have you ever thought of verifying your Christian beliefs with whats in the Bible ? There is a reason why the Catholic Church banned the BIble from being translated into the language of the common man and wished for it to remain only available to a select few in Latin. The simple fact is they used the Bible to manipulate the weak, poor and unlearned. Do we not see the same today, just take a look at all the fools who die as martyrs because some holy man told them to do so ?

  2. I do not take pieces of the bible and misrepresent them. That is what churches, preachers, and Sunday school teachers do.

    This blog encourages people to read the entire bible cover to cover. It reveals verses that are rarely read on Sunday.

    Please notice that my post was about SAUL. Your reply does not include the word SAUL at all! Please keep your replies relevant to the verses!

    You are just preaching. Most of your preaching is nonsense, such as the comment that America becoming powerful in 200 years is evidence for a young earth. What does that have to do with this passage?

    Please keep your comments relevant to the verses, or I will no longer publish them.

  3. This is a good one and before I get started I must say I am not educated enough to give a complete answer but I will try. As far as contradictions…who knows really. We all as Christians want to believe it runs smoothly and as I learn more and more the contradictions seem to disappear. As for this I must say that God determines all things and according to
    Job 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.
    So, obviously Satan has companionship with God if you will and the other angels. Then it goes on to say in verse 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
    We all know God already knew this but to continue in verse 7 ..Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”
    God allows Satan to roam the earth. Just keep this in mind as I change tracks. I am going to pull some info out and then put it all together.
    While we cannot determine what exactly happens in this passage- whether the spirit truly is Samuel or a demon playing the role of Samuel- we can note a few things. First, this passage confirms that a spirit world does exist. Second, the spirit confirms the message Samuel spoke in his life- the kingdom will be taken from Saul and given to David. Third, the spirit predicts the death of Saul and his sons. This comes to pass just as this spirit says. Saul discovers the truth, but only by seeking it in the darkness. Rather than continually seeking God’s direction and believing what Samuel had spoken from God, Saul chooses to find his answers from a dark source. Too late to rectify his wrongly placed loyalties, Saul pays the ultimate price.
    I found this in my women’s study Bible and found it interesting and thought I would share it with you. Now it is important to understand that demons are described in the Bible as fallen angels over whom Satan rules. Therefore, how can Samuel be the one talking to Saul if this is so? They are spirit beings who attempt to thwart the purposes of God. So, maybe this can channel back as to one of these fallen angels trying to cause destruction to Saul. Remember that Satan converses with God…Demon possession refers to a demon residing in a person and exerting direct control and influence over that person. Most biblical scholars believe that Christians cannot be possessed by demons because they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. However, believers can be the targets of demonic activity. Demon possession can result in physical disease and in some cases, metal derangement. Eventually, the Bible predicts, all demons will be cast into the lake of fire along with Satan.
    Study Bible 28:6 He inquired of the Lord. Presumably through the agency of a priest. Saul seems to sense disaster in the approaching battle and seeks divine revelation concerning its outcome. Dreams. Direct personal revelation. Urim. Revelation through the priest. Since the authentic ephod and its Urim were with Abiathar, who was aligned with David, either Saul had fabricated another ephod for his use or the author used a conventional statement including the three visual forms of revelation to underscore his point. Prophets. David had a prophet, but after Samuel’s alienation from Saul no prophet served Saul.

  4. “So, obviously Satan has companionship with God”. Many Christians would disagree. Many skeptics would ask to see a picture of them together.

    “this passage confirms that a spirit world does exist. ” This passage no more confirms a spirit world exists than the Koran does.

    “While we cannot determine what exactly happens in this passage- whether the spirit truly is Samuel or a demon playing the role of Samuel…”
    In parts, your response is similar to that of the apologist I quoted earlier, so I will just repeat a short part of my answer:

    Ed: “There is NOTHING in this text that indicates the “vision” was NOT Samuel! Yet the entire response on this website is that the vision could not be Samuel because that would contradict other sections of the bible. “

    • It couldn’t be Samuel……the reason many believe it was Samuel was because the spirit foretold that the Isrealites would be defeated by the Philistines and Saul would die and it actually came to pass…Satan can’t touch Gods people without His permission ,and God had taken His Hand off Saul, and he’d been turned over to the demonic realm…theirs nothing that says Satan cannot work his evil schemes whenever he desires with those that belong to him…..theirs no reason why Satan or his demons couldn’t tell a person who belongs to them they would die the next day n then carry that out…..The spirit that was talking to Saul said,”tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me”…..if this is indeed a demonic spirit then it makes sense that after Saul and his sons died they would end up in a demonic realm….it had to be a demon in the witch talking to Saul….the bible says the dead know nothing….and Jesus says that the dead cannot come back and warn the living.In Luke 16:27-31. 1Samuel 28:21 says that some distance might have separated Saul and the witch to where he would not see her speaking as Samuel….God Bless hope that helped….

      • You are admitting that the text of the bible is not accurate. Verses 14-16 clearly indicate that it was Saul.

  5. One interpretation is that the medium was attempting her familiar ritual stuff, and was very surprised when the real spirit of Samuel appeared — the assumption being that her conjuring had never before resulted in a real spirit appearing. It could be understood from the text that God, in his sovereign power, allowed the spirit of Samuel to appear and prophesy truthfully Saul’s condemnation. The appearance of Samuel was not by the power of the medium of Endor. This is based on the apparent scream of surprise when she saw Samuel (28:12) – why would she scream if that was what she had expected. Saul then had to direct her with questions to get information from he on who she saw.

    To me it seems clear that the Bible is claiming that the spirit was actually the spirit of Saul. But given the medium’s astonishment and scream that a spirit actually came up from the ground (you think she would have been used to this as a medium) and that Saul had to pull out from her the details of what she saw (again, you’d think as a career medium she’d be very good at telling folks what was happening), it is not a stretch to assume then the possibility that this was something the medium had never before experienced, and that it was not by her power, but by God’s, that Samuel appeared to speak judgment against Saul.

    • “To me it seems clear…”

      If it were really so clear, then I would not have been able to provide reference to a Christian apologist who says the exact opposite of what you say.

  6. Should have typed, “it seems clear that the spirit was actually the spirit of Samuel” (not Saul).

  7. I am so tired of people who deny the validity of sound arguments that show biblical contradictions on the grounds that they were taken “out of context”. Most fundamentalists claim that the Bible is to be taken literally and not figuratively which means that to them the biblical statements stand on their own and mean what they say. When one statement says “There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female”and in the same chapter says “Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female” there is a contradiction and no amount of contextual arguments can change that. There are hundreds of such examples but Christians cannot accept that lest they look like the ignorant people that they are.

    • I agree 100 percent. Most Christians replying to this blog are doing exactly as you say.

    • There is no contradiction. It means that seven pairs of clean animals went into the ark and two pairs of unclean animals went into the ark. As for that spirit being Samuel, the Bible says that Satan can masquerade as an angel of light. He can masquerade as a prophet of God. The Bible clearly teaches that the dead cannot communicate. Their thoughts are no more. The woman cried out because she didn’t expect to see a spirit come up. And it’s very interesting that Saul didn’t see this spirit. Why is that? He assumed it was Samuel based on her description.

      • In what book and chapter do we have the flood story and in what book and chapter are clean and unclean animals listed? Who is talking and listening when the clean and unclean animals are listed? In what year was the flood and in what year were the clean and unclean animals listed? Feel free to use any bible timeline for your answer.

  8. Ed, we get that you’re angry, but maybe it’s time to give up and find something else to be angry about.

    • First of all, your comment does not address the verses discussed. In my about section, I wanted to address the verses, not other issues.

      I decided to address your comment, because this is a common lie told by many religious people about Atheists. I am a software engineer for UPS, and my wife is the same for Coca-Cola, so you have probably used some of our products or services in your life time. You have probably used a light bulb, phonograph (or its modern descendent, digital music), or gone to the movies, all made possible by the Atheist Thomas Edison. You have probably used computer programs and modern computers, both made possible by Atheist Alan Turing, who also decoded the German Enigma Machine in World War II, giving you the freedom to post your false comment to this blog. You have probably enjoyed the movie The Wizard Of Oz, not realizing that every word of every song was written by Atheist Yip Harburg, including Somewhere Over The Rainbow, which was rated the top song of the century by the Recordgin Industry Artists of America. You probably have female friends and relatives who vote, thanks to the efforts of Atheists Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony. Atheists have done this and so much more for the world, yet most religious people are unaware of their accomplishments.

      You have made an assertion that I am angry. You have not provided any evidence to support that. You follow that with a version of “Why don’t you just shut up.” We hear this all the time. It is not that we are angry. It is that we care about truth. Knowing the truth helps others not to hate us. I am a very happy person with 4 children who has traveled the world and lives an upper middle class American lifestyle. It is a shame that you decided to make a false statement about me without doing any investigation. That is more of a reflection on your character than it is on mine.

  9. hi ed , I is by chance that I read this blog. you sound like a very intelligent person and thanks for all the things the “atheists” has done and made. I find it interesting that you spend so much time and energy on something you don’t believe in.whatever you decide to believe, it is a shame that you don’t believe that God loves you. atheist or not ,God so loves you that Jesus died for you.and no matter how much atheists has accomplished in this world, until you can name the atheist who created this world,we all have too bow down to the one who has created it all. GOD ALMIGHTY, who loved us all so much that He gave His son Jesus to die for us, including all unbelieving atheists.

  10. The truth is the truth no matter what anyone says about it anyways!

  11. I always wondered about these verses, but what I wondered was- the Bible says not to consult the dead. It does not say it is not possible.

    Upon reading this scripture I find it odd the medium screamed, I guess she was not too successful at channeling the dead. She says she saw an old man in a robe and then it– says Saul knew it was Samuel. I would like to know what is so distinctive about an old man in a robe ? Sounds like a typical outfit for someone of that time to be buried in.

    Really I have wondered a lot about this Scripture in the years I was in a fundy high control religion. The fact that the scripture goes on to have Samuel address Saul and give him accurate information may indicate the information came from God. It rather reminds me of Daniel and the Hand Writing on the wall. Daniel interputs it for the king and he dies that night.
    I think it was God’s judgment against Saul coming from God. Was Samuel actually there? It could be, God is capable of doing this if He wished. It is clear in this that Saul is condemend. I dont’ know why God could not have just told him that ( b/c Saul prays) but Saul is so desperate he resorts to something he knows is forbidden. Sort of like God knows he is evil and in his final hours he forces him to do something very evil to prove it- like consulting the dead.
    I wish someone would give more information on this. It has long been a scripture that I have found confusing.

  12. It is easy to dismiss this and many other scriptures as contradictory if you don’t understand what is going on. The problem I see most often when people try to interpret scripture, is that their mindset is that of current times and culture and not of the times and culture of when the words were written. Although the scriptures are relevant today, the true meaning is better understood when the scripture is seen through the culture of the time.
    The witch of Endor did not cry out with a loud voice because she was scared that an entity actually appeared. Notice that she doesn’t shriek and say “Oh woe is me! I have conjured up a being and I’m am scared unto death!” She didn’t run away. She didn’t cower in the corner! She was use to seeing an entity. Notice what she DOES do. The verse says ‘When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!” ‘ (1 Samuel 28:12)
    The first thing she does is proclaim that her customer is Saul! Does this sound like the actions of a woman freaked out by some supernatural being standing in front of her? No. The reason she cried out was a different reason. What happened was that she saw whom it was that carried the name of Samuel. It was the judge of Israel that had just died. Remember that Samuel was the Judge of Israel. He held the highest position before Israel had their first king, who Samuel anointed. Because Samuel held this position, he had what would be like celebrity status at that time. He would be recognized and known by everyone in Israel. It says in 1Samuel 28:3 “Now Samuel had died, and all Israel had lamented for him…”. He was known and loved by all Israel. When she recognized him, she realized that the person that would be close enough to know this Samuel on a personal basis would have to be a person in high position. She then realized that her customer was in fact Saul, the king who had made it illegal for mediums and spiritists to operate in the land. She feared for her life because the very person who made the law was standing in front of her witnessing her break it! It is clear what her biggest fear was in meeting the customer’s request when she says in verse 9 “Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?”
    She felt like she was now about to die because Saul was exposed and he had the power to kill her for breaking his law! Scriptures further demonstrate what her fear was in verse 21: “And the woman came to Saul and saw that he was severely troubled, and said to him, “Look, your maidservant has obeyed your voice, and I have put my life in my hands and heeded the words which you spoke to me.”
    God had allowed Samuel to speak to Saul to confirm the words that he had previously given him and to let him know of his coming demise.
    This is not a contradiction to Ecclesiastes 9:5. Solomon was not talking about those that met their natural demise when he said that the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward. He was talking about those that would perish while not committed to the Lord. The whole book of Ecclesiastes is about the only thing that matters is being committed to the Lord. The last 2 verses in the book of Ecclesiastes say:
    “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
    Fear God and keep His commandments,
    For this is man’s all.
    For God will bring every work into judgment,
    Including every secret thing,
    Whether good or evil.”
    That shows us that the writer does mean that there are those that will die (a natural death) and still know something and have a reward, because “God will bring every work into judgment”, so there will be an afterlife or there could be no judgment, and there would be a reward (or consequence), because those are the products of judgment. In other words, the dead referred to in Ecclesiastes 9 are those that experience a spiritual death. Those that have died a natural death, but serve the Lord still live and don’t die the second death (spiritual death). This is shown in Mark 12:26-27 which says “But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken.”

    I hope this helps. Understanding what was going on at the time and seeing it not from the current day paradigm can help you understand the scriptures. Above all, praying and asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth of the scripture will open your eyes. Of course, if you have a spirit of rebellion, you aren’t looking for truth, you are looking for justification. Blessings to all.

    • The witch of Endor did not cry out with a loud voice because she was scared that an entity actually appeared…

      Nowhere in the post was it claimed that she was scared or freaked out for any reason other than realizing that Saul was her customer and therefore her life might be in danger. I am not sure why you wrote several paragraphs about this.

      In other words, the dead referred to in Ecclesiastes 9 are those that experience a spiritual death.

      What you wrote is definitely NOT what was meant by Ecclesiastes 9. Eccl 9:4 “Anyone who is among the living has hope—even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!” You must admit that the lion’s death is not a spiritual death!

      Nowhere in the passage do you find the phrases “natural death” and “spiritual death”. You have completely paraphrased this passage and perverted its meaning to suit your theology. But don’t worry, all Christians do that with many passages of the bible.

  13. edhensley I wrote the things that you question in the beginning of your last post because I was answering questions that some people had about what was going on. The response was not so much for you, because I know that you aren’t looking for insight or truth. I gave the interpretation and backed it up with scripture. You haven’t done any of that in your response to me. You only said “You must admit that the lion’s death is not a spiritual death!” but gave absolutely no reason and completely ignored my reference to every work being judged which points to something beyond the natural death.
    I agree with you that many Christians pull things out of nowhere and I don’t like it. It is what prompted me to post my post. I saw Kay Arthur teaching on this incorrectly last night. I will tell you, and of course you don’t and most likely won’t believe this, but you can actually spiritually discern things and not with your own thinking as in Proverbs 3:5-6.
    I have told many people things about themselves that only God could know. The Holy Spirit showed me things about them in order to bless them. I have also seen many miracles and God has worked miracles for others through me. I take no credit, but was blessed to be used in His workings. I’ve seen things that I can’t “unknow.” I won’t argue with an atheist, because the spirit of rebellion is fed by it. But, I will speak truth. I’m sorry for the disappointment you had in your experience with Christianity. I have been disappointed by people that consider themselves Christians often. I never, however, have been disappointed with God. It doesn’t bother me if you don’t believe me. It doesn’t bother me if you don’t believe in Jesus. It is not my responsibility to convince you. I feel sorry for what you have had to endure and I pray for peace in your life. (The statement is about you and your life, not a judgment.) It is a true gesture to someone consumed with disproving something that they don’t believe in. If you don’t believe, just don’t believe! Don’t spend all your time consumed with not believing.

    • I was answering questions that some people had about what was going on.

      The post was written over 4 years ago in 2010. Upon review of all the many comments, it appears your first part was directed toward Brad’s comment over 3 years ago in 2011. It would be proper to indicate you are responding to another commenter and not to the author, especially when addressing comments so old (and yet not the most recent).

      The response was not so much for you, because I know that you aren’t looking for insight or truth.

      This ad hominem attack only shows the weakness of your argument. You can not possibly know whether or not I am looking for insight or truth. I have been doing so all my life.

      I gave the interpretation and backed it up with scripture. You haven’t done any of that in your response to me. You only said “You must admit that the lion’s death is not a spiritual death!”

      My, how you love to contradict yourself! You claim that I “haven’t done any of that” (backing interpretations up with scripture) then quote my interpretation of Ecclesiastes 9:4, which I posted.

      I’m sorry for the disappointment you had in your experience with Christianity.

      I had good experiences with Christianity. I enjoyed singing in the choir, mission trips, and working summer jobs at a Christian run foster home for children. I considered ministry, read the bible from cover to cover twice, and concluded it is not the word of god. I also studied early Christianity and the development of biblical canons, which further supported my conclusion that the bible is a man-made book. You assume too much.

      I feel sorry for what you have had to endure and I pray for peace in your life. (The statement is about you and your life, not a judgment.) It is a true gesture to someone consumed with disproving something that they don’t believe in. If you don’t believe, just don’t believe! Don’t spend all your time consumed with not believing.

      Once again, you assume so much. I have not had to endure anything other than a wealthy lifestyle, world travel, and wonderful children. You sound arrogant, condescending and judgmental, especially for someone who has never met me. I would never make such statements about somebody only reading a blog and never having met them in person.

      Your last sentences are told to atheists all the time in one form or another, and they all sound something like this: “Why don’t you just shut up!” At one point my state, Kentucky, was going to spend over $60 million in direct and indirect funding for a giant Noah’s Ark theme park (that is no longer the case, but not the main subject here). Two citizens of Kentucky (the governor and the director of the Emergency Operations Center) are forced by law to affirm every year in writing that “the security of the Commonwealth of Kentucky is dependent upon Almighty God.” If they fail to do so, they can be fined and thrown in jail. An atheist elementary school student in Shelby County, KY, was pinned to the ground and had a cross drawn on her forehead by Christian students (the child is now home schooled). Jessica Ahlquist was called an “evil little thing” by a Rhode Island state senator because she enforced our Constitution. The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama recently proclaimed that only Christians have freedom of religion (not atheists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc). Iowa is giving $140,000 of tax funds to a Christian theme park. There are attempts in Kentucky and many other states to replace science with Christian mythology in public school science classes. A Kentucky preacher was killed by a rattle snake while following Mark 16:18. Children have died in every state due to parents praying instead of seeking adequate medical care. The root of all of these problems is the irrational belief based on the book I write about in this blog. I will not just shut up.

  14. I did not ask you to shut up. You assume too much and read only what you want to hear. Again, I have seen and experienced things of God that I can’t unknow. I don’t expect anything from you. I wasn’t responding to the person you assumed, but to several others questions. My response is to those that want to know, even those that will find the site in the future. I’m OK with you not believing.

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